“Uncanny, unbelievable,” and ridiculous
Grow up, CBS. There’s no need to push a story about National Guardsmen spooked by creepy clergymen talking about New Orleans being “ingrained in voodoo, cannibalism, and witchcraft.” There are things to be afraid of in New Orleans right now, but magical dead sky people isn’t one of them. Bibles that happen to be open to some particular passage or another isn’t either. And, of course, the one name they didn’t give during the interview was that of the idiot chaplain stirring up all the ruckus. Sir, I would also be too embarrassed to give my name were I as shameless as you. Unless I was a media whore named Janet Yi who didn’t care what drivel my name was attached to.
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OMFG. This is going straight into my Horror Fiction class.
I just watched that video online. I thought it was funny, until that chaplain spewed his cannibalism garbage and said that New Orleans is a city of inherent darkness, and the soldiers coming in are rays of light sent from God. Puh-leaze!
I think there is more important news to be reported. How stupid! NEW ORLEANS ROCKS AND ALWAYS WILL!
Um. Except for the freaky little laughing girls in the supply closets next to the men’s room with the missing plaster in the ceiling. That’s NOLA at its freakiest. Or the bus depot near me in North Carolina. Whatever.
this is cool!
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There is something creepy in this story and it is that Chaplin! Saints perserve us!
The excessively collagened Ms. Yi lost me three seconds into her “report” when she said “new or-LEENZ”.
The real nightmare is the people and ‘politics’ that have crawled out of the diseased bowels of your slut city. I hope Rita swerves east and finishes the job. Then the nightmare of your crippled population of entitlement whores and gender challenged freaks will be history instead of a drain of this country’s resources. As a simple citizen who is not permitted to eradicate the scum in this country, I’m very happy to let Rita and Kat do it. Just hope San Francisco gets a tsunami -that would eliminate all the liberal whores on the Left coast. May you all be breathing water soon. Gurgle gurgle gurgle….
Don’t make me sick our cannibals on your dumb ass.
Joe, you’d have to pull your dick out of your boy friend’s ass before you do a damn thing, little gurly boy.
“Simple citizen,” indeed.
I’m sure Idespiseu considers himself a devout Christian.
Tyler, I’ve been riding the bus in North Carolina for two weeks now, and there are some HUGE differences between NOLA and an NC bus station. First, you have to hide your liquor in NC bus stations… and second, the trolleys run on diesel… Okay, so there isn’t much difference.
Ah ha! That explains it. I was wondering about Janet Yi. She was hiding her liquor.
You know how you hide your needle-marks by injecting between your toes? Well Yi has been hiding her whiskey breath by doing enemas.
It’s a CBS West Coast thing. Don’t ask.
G.Hager, you displaced to NC by Katrina? Sorry you’re subjected to our bus system.
I haven’t been in Louisiana in almost five years now. You can feel sorry for me anyhow, though, since I was forced to bus around by a broken timing belt.
The closest thing to “voodoo” in that video was the idiot chaplain walking from door to door in Sophie Wright school applying holy water to the thresholds and mumbling prayers.
I entered this blog, and I looked down at the menu on my right. There was a section that read “Ads By Google” — Witchcraft, Mardi Gras Party, Voodoo Spells, Magical Spells, RSS Feed URL. Are they actually advertising this stuff?
Come on! Voodoo? Well, if New Orleans is as dark as they claim it is, then that’s part of what makes it so unique. And for me, I’m sort of fascinated by like the supernatural, occult and stuff. If this is all so true, then I’m sorry I didn’t visit NO when I had a chance. I’m still hoping to visit in a couple of years. Stay true to your art!
– Ray M –
my comment is to the comment made by idespiseu.
“simple citizen” thats what you call yourself. After reading what you wrote i’d have to say you are the scum that this country needs rid of. However that is in the hands of only two, you and our lord above.
If you want answers open up a bible and start reading. God warned of these events in the bible. Look at the world today, look at how so many people hate christians. Look at the black magic practices that went on in New Orleans, so much evil, look at what Katrina did and the great flood of New Orleans, look at the levee breaking again. If the non believers in this blog can’t open their eyes and see the truth, may God have mercy on their soul.
Get a life, Denise. Do you know how many churches there are in New Orleans? THEY’RE EVERYWHERE. A lot of good, hardworking people died because of Katrina. Your attitude IS NOT a Christian attitude. You have no love for your fellow man and no compassion. May God have mercy on YOUR soul, since you can’t find mercy for your fellow man in your own heart.
Kapaali, you thought the video was funny at first, funny??? What’s so funny about the people in New Orleans who lost their lives. I never said I have no compassion for the people in New Orleans. Even after their horrible behavior in the Superdome. There were some good people in the Superdome not all were bad and those I have compassion for, but what kind of people smear their feces on the walls, rape, molest children, loot, carry guns and shoot at rescuers, compassion is hard to come up with in those cases. Then ask yourself again, why did New Orleans flood in the 9th ward and why did the levee break again. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure it out. It’s your life, your soul, you’re the one who has to answer to it in the end. God bless.
Ok, first of all, that video had nothing whatsoever to do with the human tragedy that is going on in New Orleans. It was talking about ghosts and yes, I did find it amusing. Second, the reports of the violence and crime in the Superdome are unsubstantiated rumors and the police, National Guard, and other local authorities have found no clear evidence that the majority of those things occurred.
Why did New Orleans flood the 9th ward again? The Army Corps of Engineers specifically allowed that levee to keep leaking because they deemed it less harmful than if the 17th Street canal broke again.
These are not the end times. Those of us who live in New Orleans are not all sinners, we’re not all evil, a great many of us are churchgoers AND believers, and we’re really, really sick of people like you telling us that God, who is supposed to be loving and compassionate, would do this to us because we deserve some sort of punishment. Yes, Bourbon Street is hedonistic. Let me tell you something, though: the vast majority of people who frequent Bourbon Street ARE NOT FROM NEW ORLEANS. If you’re a local, it’s very likely you don’t go there. I’ve lived in New Orleans for over 5 years. I’ve been to that end of Bourbon Street exactly twice in my life.
Your first post DID in fact lead me to believe that you have no compassion for the people of New Orleans. You may in fact be a good Christian, but you really need to think through what you’re writing before you post it on a public forum like this. I’m from New Orleans, I love my city, and it hurts me in my soul to read posts like yours that make us out to be nothing more than devil-worshipping sinners who got what we deserved from God. It’s not fair to us, and you shouldn’t have written it. I won’t post here again.
Thank you, Kapaali. Good observation: there are good Christians and bad Christians (if I may add:) found in all denominations of Christianity. Just as there are good and bad people found in all types and forms of religion. So, it seems, a person’s religion does not define whether a person is good or bad. Does it? Perhaps it how he or she deals with others?
idespiseu is a little hung-up on the homosex, non?
I can just imagine him & the other hateful creeps I’ve read here & elsewhere, gloating over NOLA’s misfortunes, swimming quite happily in the city’s toxic floodwaters, totally in their element amid so much filth and putrefaction. I think even the reptiles would shun such monsters.
Here’s an old Creole saying for him and others like him: “God don’t like ugly”.
And for all the end-timers and Xtian lunatics out there claiming God sent Katrina and Rita to punish NO for whatever bee is buzzing in their daft bonnets, please, shut the f**k up, okay? Close the Bible, zip your cake-hole, and open your mind and your heart.
NOLA is one of the few cities in the US to evolve a civilization. It will rise again, just as it has in the past. I wish that great city and all its good people the very best.
We are living in the end of the end times and this is the judgement of God! All of the people in that city weren’t bad I’m sure but it rains on the just and the unjust. One of you said there are churches everywhere. I’m sorry! Just going to church and believing in God does NOT make you a christian. The Devil believes in God and he goes to church too!
There are no bad christians! How can you be christlike and bad too? That doesn’t make any sense at all!
It breaks my heart at what a horrible tragedy this is. I don’t care if you were the worst person in the city it is still a horrble thing to happen to you.
God bless each and everyone of you and help you to understand His will.
-A concerned 16 year old
Speaking of the National Guard in NEW Orleans, I was STUNNED to read that the Col who commands the NO Guard post, had never seen more than an inch or 2 of rain collect in the Guard HQ in his 15 years in command, so he was *shocked* when he had to go swimming in 15′ water from Katrina to rescue his 225-325 National Guardsmen, you know, the dudes who were SUPPOSED to be rescuing New Orleans and the state of LA, from the flood waters. Most of their vehicles were lost to the waters. Where was the planning to pre-position his troops and their vehicles for a rescue op?
What? Talk about not being able to think outside the box. They were TOLD this was a superkiller storm 3 days in advance. The military was one of the first to know. NOW, for the PROFILES IN COURAGE FILE:
AFTER making this incredible stand for Lousiana, unless I completely misread the article and the quotes, the guardsmen, instead of taking care of people at the Superdome and IN the Convention Center, locked themselves in a conference room at the convention center.. And HID. WHAT? Is THIS the action of our brave rescuers? Could someone please double check this?
IF this is true, these guys need to be court martialed and/or reprimanded for negligence and dereliction of duty. My word. Tell me this is not true. I know a lot of this was a surprise, but this is no way for professional troops to conduct themselves.
Al
If you were outnumbered by thousands and thousands of starving, angry, crazed, raping, murdering maniacs in that filthy 120 degree Thunderdome, with no help in sight from the Feds or anyone else, you would hide, too. Only so much ammunition, you know…it was just simple logistics and survival at that point, not a question of negligence or cowardice or honor.
The big question of course is…what kind of “people” rape children and slit their throats during a disaster ?
What kind of police officers ride around on trucks, drinking beer and looting, and laughing as they shoot and take polaroids of the desperate survivors ?
And don’t even start up with the “urban myth” BS…I’ve seen the pictures, such as the one of the poor young girl with a BOXCUTTER stuck in her throat out in front of the place, and read the interviews with the terrified European tourists who were trapped inside, and heard the accounts of what was going on in there from friends working at shelters who heard the stories firsthand.
Jeezus, what fine “people” your fine city had living in it…
WOW! The comments to date are like rubber-necking a tragic accident, you don’t want to stare but you can’t look away. Very few cities are left in the United States that have followed the european tradition of holding on to their heritage and New Orleans is/was one of them. Everything about the city is/was steeped with the culture of their ancestry. The beautiful homes, the ancestral buildings, all of the different cultures and beliefs - one of the last honest melting pots where all are welcome. I am saddened by the destruction and feel that a part of who we all are has been badly beaten. I am a “Christian” and to all of those who say “God’s” puninshing the sinners…. I do not claim to know what God is or is not doing, but I have never met anyone sin free. Sinning, it’s part of living. What did Jesus say about the stoning of Mary Magdalen? Not one rock, pebble etc was thrown now was it? go figure.
I am curious as to where I can link up to find this video that Joe is talking about. I knew that it wouldn’t be long before some bible toting type would say that we got what we deserved here and that we are all heathens and devil worshippers. I guess thats why the Southern Baptist Convention held their convention here every year… saw all you guys down on Bourbon Street yelling “SHOW YOUR TITS”.
Bunch of damn hypocrites…
Give it up with the religious nonsense. Like some omnipotent bearded white dude in the sky smote the damn place because of all the voodoo and miscegination or something…really…come, on, now.
Look, the place is mostly below sea level, in a region of the world periodically ravaged by hurricanes. A thinking civilization would have never built a medium sized city there. It’s been steadily sinking into the swamp for years, and this has been accelerated because of the centuries of development in the region. What money was left for fixing the levees after the fund was gutted by the vermin currently squatting in Washington was squandered by the legendarily corrupt local government…the same local government that fell square on it’s ass and let it’s poorest citizens on their own to drown and starve.
Now, I’m not trying to lionize the inhabitants of the lower 9th ward here…not at all. They had devolved to a level of near savagery long before Katrina. Long ago, a friend who was living there told me about a night where a young teenage girl was gang-raped right in front of her house, and the police simply never came, and the rapists threatened anyone who said a thing with certain death.
All this was normal, everyday life there.
And it was exacerbated by decades of dependance on the dole, decades of institutionalized poverty and ignorance, and decades of total, absolute corruption.
Perhaps the lesson the poor of New Orleans will take away from this will be that the “Man” is not only here to give you a little check every month, but to abandon you and even kill you when he sees fit. Perhaps the people who return to a region…below sea level, where hurricanes routinely strike…will set aside a few dollars a month for some canned goods, just in case.
Perhaps.
I mean really… I can’t believe that people believe the kind of tripe that’s being written here. As a catholic (New Orleans’s is the most catholic large city in the US) and a native New Orleanian that embraces the city in all it’s diversity I find it shameful that anyone would gloat at the pain and suffering and incredible loss that has taken place here and NO MATTER WHAT YOUR BELIEFS, whether you’re catholic, baptist, buddhist, hindu, jewish, muslim, wiccan, or a follower of voodoo (which is an established religion, much older than most “born-again” christian sects; it’s only referred to as witchcraft by the sublimely ignorant) or candomble, I am sure that YOUR God or gods, as the case may be, would not approve of your righteousness in reference to the suffering and dismay of others. If you feel that you are right, re-read your sacred texts.
If New Orleans taught me one thing, it’s this. “Do Whatcha Wanna, just don’t hurt nobody”, and what y’all are doin’ is hurtin’. GOD DON’T LIKE UGLY, LOOK OUT!
And just for back up, I’m gonna put some gris-gris on all y’all that wanna talk bad on my city, and guess what? God’s on my side.
Hi every1!
I just want to say that ‘Scubagal’ is probably only a “Christian” and not a Christian. Scubagal,
If you have never met anyone sin free then obviously you have never met Jesus as your personal saviour. It is possible for humans to live without sin. Jesus said in Matthew 5:48 “Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.” You may truly be a real Christian and not realized this. If you are, then maybe you should read God’s word more often.
I have trouble with not reading the Bible like I should but I’m praying God will help me with this weakness. I’m pleased to be able to share with you that you can live without sin. If you have any questions email me.
Victor, their ‘gods’ as you put it wouldn’t be able to approve of them because they serve gods that are dead. If they serve somebody that is alive they are a human and they are subject to failure. Even if the human is living without sin as I said was possible, one of the ten is ‘Thou shalt have no other God’s before me’. So there you go, you can’t serve a human and be right.
If you say that you can have other gods, just not before the real God check this out. In Matthew 6:24 it says,”No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.”
There is only one true God, eternally exsisting in three persons. God the Father,God the Son (Jesus Christ), and God the Holy Ghost.
I’m sorry about what you’ve been taught,”Do Whatcha Wanna, just don’t hurt nobody”.
You can not do sin without it hurting somebody.
If it don’t hurt humans it hurts God so…..what do you think about that?
Even though ‘God don’t like ugly’ why should we ‘look out’ if he’s not gonna judge us?
If this wasn’t the judgement of God on those people on Bourbon street then I don’t know what will be their judgement.
The fact of the matter is that God will judge you for sin.
I don’t know about your little ‘gris-gris’ stuff but it sounds wierd to me. If you think God’s on your side then you better think again.
I hope that you don’t just have him on your side.
I hope that you have him all around you!
-A concerned 16 year old.
I also want to correct something I said in an earlier post. I said,”We are living in the end of the end times and this is the judgement of God!”
This is the end of times the judgement part is what I wanted to correct.
It is the judgement of God on those who know better than to sin, as it is at the same time the MERCY of God on some, to pull them out of sin.
Sorry y’all! I thought it would leave a link to my email.
Here it is: jason@jasonrhouse.com
Judge ye not, lest ye be judged.
I think a couple of self-professed “Christains” that have posted on this thread need to look up a few things.
AMEN ANN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pardon me Victor? You are calling God’s word sublimely ignorant?
The Bible refers to witchcraft along with these other sins. Galatians 5:19-21
19. “Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,”
20.”Idolatry, WITCHCRAFT, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,”
21.”Envyings, murderers, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
Notice that it says ‘witchcraft’ and it says ‘and such like’.
Go to http://www.webster.com/ (Merriam-Webster online dictionary) and do some searching.
I don’t think it will take you long to find out that witchcraft and voodoo are of the same stuff.
Doesn’t matter whether you’re talking about mainline religious beliefs or voodoo or Eastern religions:
IT’S ALL MAGIK
Magic man in the sky gives us what we want if we follow some arbitrary ritual of personal debasement, sacrifice, or whatever.
I call bullshit on everything.
No offense intended, Jason, but I was actually referring to you, among others. I do not hold remotely the same ideas about religion, much less Christianity, that you profess. Sorry. :-)
As a (formerly on both counts) Catholic Louisianian, I resent the implications so many make that somehow ALL N.O.ians are practitioners of “voodoo” or “satanism” and that somehow the tragedy besetting Louisiana is the fault of religious beliefs, lack thereof, or divine retribution. As a historian, I know that voodoo and witchcraft are NOT the same. As a person, I hold my spiritual beliefs close to the vest (That’s the Franciscan influence - you don’t go around yapping about your beliefs - you practice them.)
I guess your assumption that I agree with you proves my underlying point that it’s all in perceptions and interpretations.
Jason,
As you may know, there has been an earthquake in Pakistan - and Kashmir and Afghanistan - lately.
So many children died buried under the roofs of their schools, in so many places - cities, villages…
If death is but the wages for sin, then what was the sin of these children? Tell me?
On the other hand, as far as I know Bourbon Street, the famed “sin” alley (for whatever that means), is still standing.
You are not going to tell me that God lacked judgement by letting it stand unharmed while He razed so many much more righteous parts of the city, are you?
Or am I wrong about God?
Okay Joe B,
You say it’s all Magik.
Magic is related to Sorcery. The Bible says in Revelation 21:8 “But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”
Take this for what you can understand it for.
I don’t find anything ‘Magic’ about serving God.
Ann,
I sorta thought you could be talking about me but I was going to agree with you bcuz you said the right thing although you said “Christains” and I’m a Christian.Don’t worry though, you haven’t offended me!
I used to live in LA too. Louisiana is a cool place and I have many friends there.
I do not think that all the people from N.O. are bad sinning people. I’m sure there were MANY ‘good sinners’ that lived there. I call people who are too good to go to Hell but not good enough to go to Heaven, ‘good sinners’. Voodoo and witchcraft may not be the same but they are from the same source.
Here are a few definitions I found for voodoo in the online Merriam-Webster dictionary.
1 : a religion that is derived from African polytheism and ancestor worship and is practiced chiefly in Haiti
2 : a person who deals in spells and necromancy b (1) : a sorcerer’s spell : HEX (2) : a hexed object : CHARM
I’ve already metioned that God is against sorcerers.
Matthew 21:8 has idolaters in it too.
An idolater is a worshiper of idols.
An idol is a representation or symbol of an object of worship; broadly : a false god
Now go all the way back to voodoo, a religion that is derived from African polytheism and ancestor worship and is practiced chiefly in Haiti
Polytheism is belief in or worship of more than one god, therefore a god is an idol and a person who worships an idol is an IDOLATER!!!
Voodoo in its self may not directly be related to witchcraft but it is in the same clasification as sin. Even if voodoo wasn’t of the same classification as witchcraft, it being a religion of more than one god makes it wrong.
It’s not all in perceptions and interpretations.
Just like if you percieved that an apple tasted good and you bit into it and you found out it was really rotten, it doesn’t make it taste good just because your perception before you took a bite was that it tasted good.
Dear Jackieh,
Many of these children were probably innocent of sin. Some of them probably were at the age of accountability to know what was right and what was wrong.
The verse you are speaking of is found in Romans 6:23 “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
This scripture is speaking of spiritual, not physical death.
Revelation 21:8 says “But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”
Okay, spiritual death is being cast into Hell and eternal life is going to Heaven.
I’m not exactly sure of why these many children had to die physically, perhaps it was because of the sin of their fathers.
If they were not to the age of accountability then they did not spiritually die.
Now me, I just turned 17 years old on Oct. 11th and I know right from wrong. If I were to die in a disaster, and was unsaved, then I would go to Hell.
But Praise God!! I’m Saved!!
I am not going to tell you that God lacks anything.
Our church had a man from N.O. to come and get saved. He probably wouldn’t have been here if it wasn’t for the storm.
Maybe the storm was an act of mercy to pull some of the more righteous parts up out of all that sin that is down there.
Maybe God knew some people were tired of living in this sinful world and was ready to meet Him so he just took them on.
God Bless Every1,
Jason
Jason,
So - you personally judge whether or not someone is “too good to go to Hell but not good enough to go to Heaven” and designate accordingly? I’m sorry, I didn’t get the memo from onhigh that made you, well, essentially God. :-)
And how about this hypothetical - what if I don’t beleive in hell, or heaven for that matter? How can you cast me into somewhere that, in my consciouness, is not real? (given, of course, you have the power to cast me anywhere, but see above.)
Even given my limited knowledge of Protestant beliefs, I do know that “Christians” beleive that only God makes the final determination of a soul’s ultimate fate. Not me, not some creepy televangelist, and certainly not you.
I guess my problem with you post is your are so presumptive. Simply because you have a particular faith or belief system does not automatically make you “right.” In fact, I beleive there is something in your holy book about pride and arrogance, which is what your posts ooze. I’m not denigrating your faith - more power to you. I admire people who are sincerely devout. But when that devotion intrudes into other people’s lives, well, I think there’s also something about that in your Bible as well. (and in teh COnstitution as well)
Again I say to you - “judge ye not lest ye be judged.”
BTW - I could care less what Merriam-Webster’s Online says about voodoo and witch craft. A dictionary definition does not equal years of scholarly research and study. If you’d like to look furthur into the actual facts about the topics, I’d be happy to point you to some sources.
A.
I have no idea why that says posted by Jason - it was posted by me - at least I think I was me when I wrote it. :-P
A.
There’s nothing less magical about god than there is about sorcery. It’s all “supernatural.” Heaven, hell, son of god, god, angels, demons, zombies, witches, warlocks, spells, prayers, it’s all the same. All of it is logically equivalent. Simply saying that one arbitrary iconology is real while the others are not doesn’t make it so.
Believe what you want, the point to my post is not to say that you’re a bad person for believing whatever. But to me, it’s all the same, and it’s all not real. Your belief may be, but belief doesn’t create reality.
to that, Joe, I say “amen.”
:-)
A.
Well, you didn’t get the memo because there wasn’t one! :-)
No I am not personally judging. I am taking what God’s Word, not “my holy book”, says.
Revelation 21:8 says “But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,-1 Corinthians 6:9
It’s obvious that if you do these things that you will not inherit the kingdom of God but be cast into the lake of fire.
I feel sorry for people who have not done these things yet they have not put their trust in Jesus Christ. “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;” Romans 3:23
“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” -John 14:6
If they have not accepted Christ as their Saviour then they will go to Hell.
I could just call all of them low-down,rotten,dirty, sinners, but I’m trying to be nice about it.
I can not cast you into anywhere! I can only warn you of what God says.
I have a feeling you don’t believe in Heaven or Hell, but whether you believe in it or not doesn’t change the facts. It’s real!
An example of your “limited knowledge” is that you think that Christians believe that God makes the final determination of a soul’s ultimate fate.
He does not make the decision. He gives you the privilege of making that choice to accept or reject His Son as your Saviour.
Only you can decide whether you will go to Heaven or Hell.
On reference to your statement, I can not decide whether another person accepts or rejects Christ, but I can tell them what the consequences will be. Infact it is my duty as a servant of Christ to inform them.
Just because I have a certain belief system does not automatically make me right. There are hypocrites everywhere. My belief system does not automatically make me wrong either.
I am not trying to be arrogant and prideful. I just know that it is my duty to inform people about Christ. If trying to help someone is intruding into their life then so be it.
There are many really searching for the truth.
After someone is in Hell, they are gonna be wishing that someone had “intruded” in their life.
I would like to know,if you don’t mind finding it, where the part about intruding into peoples lives is found in the Bible.
If you can show me where I’m wrong by the Bible then I would gladly make an apology.
What do you mean by, “judge ye not lest ye be judged?”
We are all going to be judged someday.
Yes I would like you to point me to these resources.
All I can say is if they don’t line up with God’s word then they are wrong.
If they are all the same, God would not be against His own self.
Revelation 21:8 says “But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”
They are very much real!
Epesians 6:12 “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”
“If they are all the same, God would not be against His own self.”
OR
God simply doesn’t exist, the bible is nothing more than old texts describing still older people’s superstitious beliefs in various forms of magik that were, over time, eventually collected into one cohesive and internally inconsistent belief system. The key to which is to embrace the inconsistencies as a great mystery that only a supernatural being could possibly comprehend. The true answer is much, much, much simpler: the inconsistencies render the belief system incoherent, meaningless, and likely false.
Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have to ritualistically sacrifice a weiner dog so that the voodoo goddess Chanupleta will allow your soul to pass through the darkness of the Land of Undead Souls unmolested by demon Satyrs. Because if you don’t embrace the particular brand of voodoo that I just made up (but which is very real, because I believe it is) that is what will happen to you. And you will wish then, my friend, that someone had sacrificed even the left ear of a weiner dog on your behalf. Because the demon Satyrs of the Land of Undead Souls don’t believe in lubrication.
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And if that last post sounds like nonsense, consider that your bible quotes and predictions of hell sound exactly as nonsensical to me.
Showing you where you’re wrong by the bible is pointless, since I don’t believe that the bible meets any reasonable standard of validity.
Whether or not I personally beleive in the existence of Joe’s voodoo goddess Chanupleta or your particular version of Chrsitianity is irrelevant. My larger point is that, much as Joe pointed out, it is all in perceptions and interpretations. I have read the Bible- several times. Veracity aside, even IF I accepted it as “the word of God” as opposed to “nothing more than old texts describing still older people’s superstitious beliefs in various forms of magik that were, over time, eventually collected into one cohesive and internally inconsistent belief system” (which, BTW I’m not doing in either direction - this is all for the sake of argument), my interpretation of it is obviously different than yours. Is yours any more right than mine? NO. And who are YOU to tell me differently - no one.
Where does Christ say EXPLICITLY that “grace” supercedes works as a path to salvation? (not Paul, CHRIST via the recollections of the apostles, which, BTW, contradict each other on other issues) I’d say - nowhere. In fact, a Presbyterian minister double-checked his RSV for me. Further, in James, Chapter 2, it explicitly states that faith without works is barren/dead. I would venture to guess that you, Jason, despite the passage in James, believe that salvation is through faith/grace alone. I, do not.
My point:
People can read the exact same sentence, in the exact same context and come away with two entirely different interpretations, each one as valid as the other with neither “believer” in a position to criticize or judge or disparrage or preach to the other.
As to the voodoo vs. witchcraft - I’ll get a list together and email you. Just an aside - like the veracity of religion, it is all the mind of the beleiver. Witchcraft is an intergral part of the Bible, especially the Old Testament and Revelations in New. Prophecy is considered to be a form of magic. So - there is yet again a contradiction inherent in the Chrsitianity you are professing in this forum.
BTW, how is someone “a ‘Christian’ and not a Christian?” Isn’t that a value judgement on your part, to assume to know their heart, their faith, their reltionship with the divine, based on a few sentences on an anonymous blog? Do you see the irony of your disparging comments towards other vis-a-vis their faith when professing in the next breath it is not your place to judge?
Have you ever read Douglas Adams’ “Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy”? You should, especially the part about The Coming of the Great White Handkerchief.
Well Joe,
I guess since that “it is all in perceptions and interpretations,” if you interpret the Bible or whatever other book that way then you are right.
I percieve that you have no brains! I guess I’m right huh? Oh, I’m not? Well tell me again, “it is all in perceptions and interpretations.”
That is my interpretation so that makes it right for me!
Now see how silly that is Ann?
Joe,
God does exist and He loves you!
I don’t see how that you can say he doesn’t exist when there is so much evidence.
I love you too or I wouldn’t be posting comments on this blog.
The Bible,despite the fact you believe it is not the divinely inspired Word of God,Jesus said in it to “love thy neighbour as thyself.”
I guess I will leave you alone about all this if that is what you want.
When you reach the judgement, you will not be able to say you weren’t warned of Heaven and Hell.
Now don’t say this doesn’t bother you, you wouldn’t be trying to justify yourself if it didn’t bother you.
Ann,
Watch out for that “larger point”
I think it is about to poke you! ;-)
You are right, faith is dead without works but works are dead without faith also.
Take a look at Matthew 7:22-23
This is Jesus speaking.
22: “Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?”
23: “And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”
You cannot separate faith and works, they go together.
I am NOT judging!!!!
Matthew 7:15-20
15: “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.”
16: “Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?”
17: “Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.”
18: “A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.”
19: “Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.”
20: “Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.”
In fact, the verse you are making reference to is found in this same chapter!
Matthew 7:1, “Judge not, that ye be not judged.
I am not forsure about this but I don’t think it is commanding us not to judge at all.
I think it is saying do not judge unless you want to be judged in the same manner because in verse 2 it says, “For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.”
No I have never read “Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy.”
What in the world would it be about?
Or should that be, what in the ‘galaxy’ would that be about?
Funny, I don’t feel anything poking me. I just see you proving my point about the arbitrary use of the . . . never mind. I’ve spelled it out and you still don’t get what I’m saying. Sorta’ like me and my mental block about the use of imaginary numbers in higher math - THEY’RE IMAGINARY! :-P
Anyway, Hitchhiker’s is a delightful, esoteric romp into the supposed existence of reality. Read the BOOK, not watch the movie (although it’s a pretty good adaptation, all things considered). The book is extremely thought provoking, given you like to think outside the box and are able to consider the possibility that your entire belief structure is irrelevant. For me, it’s up there with Martian Chronicles, Farenheit 451 and Slaughterhouse 5 - all books that totally changed the way I thought/think.
A.
p.s. Oh, it’s very British. If you don’t like Monty Python, forget it.
Okay, Thanks for the info!